I am so creeped out right now. I'm not sure I want to watch this show any more. I haven't felt anything more than disturbed after watching an episode for a while now. :(
I'm not sure what you mean by "creeped out," but I felt underwhelmed with the first 3 episodes of Season 2 of Dollhouse. Episode 4 changed all of that for me. Maybe because it didn't focus on Echo, but on Sierra and others.
I hope that helps you any. (Unless by 2x03, you meant 2x04, in which I understand your "creeped outness" but I found it riveting nonetheless.)
Ohhh, that's right! Forgive me, but 2x03 aired 2 weeks ago in the US and I completely even forgot what it was about (all I remember was Kiki!Victor which was, imo, the best thing ever. lol).
No, you're right. That was quite creepy. I remember the beginning especially where the women looked like mannequins and I really wasn't sure if they were or weren't. So wax museum like. Very scary. Other than the beginning though, the rest of the episode wasn't too bad for me. Probably because I knew it was a primetime show and they couldn't get away with too much creepiness. I also watch and adore Dexter so I could be conditioned a bit. :)
The next episode (2x04) is very disturbing, morally, but I highly suggest you check it out, especially if you like Sierra (and Topher) who both get a significant about of airtime.
I refuse outright to watch Dexter after hearing what it is about. A friend even insisted and gave me the eps on DVD and I still refuse. Maybe I simply have a different moral compass set. *shrugs*
I do agree KiKi!Victor was awesome. I love Victor.
Oh, man, it's funny but I had the same exact reaction! I saw 2.03 in the title of this post and immediately thought "she must mean 2.04, it has to be a typo" before I actually recalled what 2.03 was about. I thought the beginning of that episode was the most disturbing sequence I'd ever seen on tv, and was freaked out the whole day afterwards. And then 2.04 comes along and just blows that out of the water as to creepifying and freaking out. I spent the whole time going O_O. While 2.03 at least has Kiki!Victor to lighten the mood, 2.04 is just unrelenting.
Ha! Hey, I posted just yesterday about this show! But to cut it short, Dollhouse is supposed to creep you the fuck out. Much like, for example, Lost is supposed to leave you going *bhuz???*. The question is, do you want to forge ahead into the creepiness or not? Myself, I got tired of being perpetually perplexed (alliteration yay!) by Lost, and stopped watching it.
Since you are a decent human being, you'll keep being creeped out by Dollhouse. It's what it is. So you have to decide if you want/like being creeped out or not = keep watching or not, but don't feel like it's a strange reaction. Joss is strumming your strings to achieve exactly that.
Um, look. And sorry if this sounds curt. I'm not stupid. I get that the concept is in itself meant to be disturbing. They are in effect taking away not just a person's human rights, but erasing them completely away. There was an entire post that went with the above, but I was too tired at that hour of the morning to post it and I'm also sure people will eat me. There is a reason I don't meta.
I get the characters are interesting and they're exploring the concept, yada yada... I have been watching it after all.
But in season 1, they at least seemed to attempt to have a more balanced moral compass, with Ballard after them etc. They also had more to the storylines. Who are these dolls? Why did they join the Dollhouse? Who is behind the Dollhouse? etc. I don't have the time to think of the other questions.
Anyway, for me, this season is all about how else to disturb the audience, and far less about any controls and far less about the other aspects of the show. The mother instinct and the serial killer are just the last straws for me at the moment. I may still watch it, I have at least one more to watch, but I'm not enjoying the ethical dilemmas etc. being set up in the way it was possible to early in S1. I feel like this show will never answer any questions or have a satisfactory ending.... it will go on like Lost until people get annoyed or are pushed too far and the show gets axed.
I am a great believer in the British model of TV these days. Have a story arc, make it, finish it. *hands*
No one is offended by the post (at least, I'm not).
We're just having a friendly TV debate. It's okay if people disagree. After all, what would the world be like if it was completely conformed? (More ethics. Sorry. lol)
Sorry! didn't mean to imply you are stupid, or naive. It's just that by coincidence my last post on my journal was precisely about people watching a couple of episodes of Dollhouse and then being all "I can't get a handle on this creepy show", and I ended up being lazy and channeling that in my comment.
But! The show does have a definite ending. The mythical season one, episode 13, set years in the future and found only on dvd (and, well, you know, around). As far as endings go, it is pretty definite. I personally found it rather satisfying, but as for answering questions your mileage may vary (they set up more than a few "how did it get to that?" storylines, but then if it didn't there wouldn't be much point continuing the series, right?) And, having seen that, I can say that I'm seeing a lot of details in season two working to build that future we glimpsed in that episode.
I did watch that future ep thingy. I don't really see it though. I guess the whole doing stuff remotely could be heading there, but I don't know that that is what they're doing secifically. I just thought it was a thinky "this could happen" scifi type episode because they needed to make one.
Anyway, sorry if I came across as harsh too. Just seemed like your post was saying we were all a pack of whiners. I actually haven't seen anyone else say anything negative about the show at all, so we must run in different circles.
All I know is that this season, for me, has moved beyond plot/story arc and into the realm of "let's see if this will be even more disturbing, just cos we can." I don't see where the point is anymore. *hands* You enjoy though. :)
Sorry, but I agree about Lost (I hate the show now being of the "Bhuz" factor, but I still watch. Damn me and my loyalty).
And you're totally right about Dollhouse. And Joss does it quite brilliantly (most of the time, anyway. The start of the season seemed a bit lackluster to me, but it's been picking up now!)
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I hope that helps you any. (Unless by 2x03, you meant 2x04, in which I understand your "creeped outness" but I found it riveting nonetheless.)
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No, you're right. That was quite creepy. I remember the beginning especially where the women looked like mannequins and I really wasn't sure if they were or weren't. So wax museum like. Very scary. Other than the beginning though, the rest of the episode wasn't too bad for me. Probably because I knew it was a primetime show and they couldn't get away with too much creepiness. I also watch and adore Dexter so I could be conditioned a bit. :)
The next episode (2x04) is very disturbing, morally, but I highly suggest you check it out, especially if you like Sierra (and Topher) who both get a significant about of airtime.
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I do agree KiKi!Victor was awesome. I love Victor.
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Victor is complete ♥. He needs to be the star of the show. lol
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While 2.03 at least has Kiki!Victor to lighten the mood, 2.04 is just unrelenting.
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Since you are a decent human being, you'll keep being creeped out by Dollhouse. It's what it is. So you have to decide if you want/like being creeped out or not = keep watching or not, but don't feel like it's a strange reaction. Joss is strumming your strings to achieve exactly that.
Is this in any way helpful?
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I get the characters are interesting and they're exploring the concept, yada yada... I have been watching it after all.
But in season 1, they at least seemed to attempt to have a more balanced moral compass, with Ballard after them etc. They also had more to the storylines. Who are these dolls? Why did they join the Dollhouse? Who is behind the Dollhouse? etc. I don't have the time to think of the other questions.
Anyway, for me, this season is all about how else to disturb the audience, and far less about any controls and far less about the other aspects of the show. The mother instinct and the serial killer are just the last straws for me at the moment. I may still watch it, I have at least one more to watch, but I'm not enjoying the ethical dilemmas etc. being set up in the way it was possible to early in S1. I feel like this show will never answer any questions or have a satisfactory ending.... it will go on like Lost until people get annoyed or are pushed too far and the show gets axed.
I am a great believer in the British model of TV these days. Have a story arc, make it, finish it. *hands*
And I will now erase my stupid post if necessary.
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Don't!
No one is offended by the post (at least, I'm not).
We're just having a friendly TV debate. It's okay if people disagree. After all, what would the world be like if it was completely conformed? (More ethics. Sorry. lol)
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But! The show does have a definite ending. The mythical season one, episode 13, set years in the future and found only on dvd (and, well, you know, around). As far as endings go, it is pretty definite. I personally found it rather satisfying, but as for answering questions your mileage may vary (they set up more than a few "how did it get to that?" storylines, but then if it didn't there wouldn't be much point continuing the series, right?) And, having seen that, I can say that I'm seeing a lot of details in season two working to build that future we glimpsed in that episode.
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Anyway, sorry if I came across as harsh too. Just seemed like your post was saying we were all a pack of whiners. I actually haven't seen anyone else say anything negative about the show at all, so we must run in different circles.
All I know is that this season, for me, has moved beyond plot/story arc and into the realm of "let's see if this will be even more disturbing, just cos we can." I don't see where the point is anymore. *hands* You enjoy though. :)
Cheers
Lizzie
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Sorry, but I agree about Lost (I hate the show now being of the "Bhuz" factor, but I still watch. Damn me and my loyalty).
And you're totally right about Dollhouse. And Joss does it quite brilliantly (most of the time, anyway. The start of the season seemed a bit lackluster to me, but it's been picking up now!)