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([personal profile] starrylizard Sep. 19th, 2009 10:05 am)
Ok, lemme say my piece before I read some stuff...

Okay, the Amulet has a purpose and it happens to glow around God. That's really symbolic, right? Something Dean's worn his whole life as a symbol of Dean and Sam and family and love... it glows around God. So, Dean giving it up...considering how he got it, just seemed like a portent to me the moment it happened...like that was Dean giving up Sam and dammit, it was. But he also wanted it back. "Don't lose it!" Which I think is also something. Kripke is all about symmetry from birth dates, to the way people died to the deals the Winchester's made... so when Dean gets that amulet back, I bet he and Sam will be proper brothers. *nods* :)

Anyway...I (unlike I'm sure other people...which is why I'm writing before reading) like how that played out. (Even if in my crack!brain Dean was going My Preciousssss, bad brain!) I was personally getting annoyed with the whole lying, hang-dog Sam and distrustful Dean, which has been going on for a while, and the angsty vibes there. It felt right for them to be separating for a few episodes. And I liked the way they did it. Sam doesn't really want to go, Dean doesn't really want to let him go, but they both feel the need for it to happen.

Dean offering Sam the car was a gesture... offering their only protection. After everything, he still wants to protect Sam, it's built into him. The car is safety and home. But if Dean's gonna be the one hunting, he's the one that needs it and it really is Dean's car. Of course Sam would never take it. But even the gesture speaks a whole lot of what Dean can't say.

As for the rest of the episode, just yay! I really enjoyed having Ellen and Jo back. I missed those two. They were some of my favourite characters and I love that they've been hunting together. Mother/daughter team for the win.

SOME BODY WRITE ME FIC of Ellen and Jo hunting together. I'll pay you in icons or something. Or just give me prompts and I'll abandon current fic projects and write some myself.

I love the repaired mother-daughter bond there. *smishes them* Good to see you again, ladies!

The Lord of the Rings reference cracked my shit up.

I wonder if Dean has to collect all the trinkets from the four horsemen of the apocalypse or something... I wonder if the ring really is a bit LotR-like and has an effect on whoever has it. I wonder where Sam will go. Back to Bobby? It'd make sense in that Bobby knows what Sam has done and what he is... or will he end up in his own trouble? I'm thinking the latter. I mean, the demons probably do think of him as their dark prince. The guy who brought the apocalypse. I'm sure they'd love to tempt him back....

Anyway, general *flail* Story-wise, I'm just darn interested to see where this all goes. :D


I'm spoiler free, so please no spoilers.
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From: [identity profile] dragonfly-sg1.livejournal.com


"Don't lose it!" Which I think is also something. Kripke is all about symmetry from birth dates, to the way people died to the deals the Winchester's made... so when Dean gets that amulet back, I bet he and Sam will be proper brothers. *nods* :)"

I hope they find God by episode six then, cause I can't take this much longer. lol But I do completely understand the boys needing to separate. I just hope it's not for long. Me heart canna take it!

From: [identity profile] starrylizard.livejournal.com


Weirdly, them separating, that didn't break my heart as much as the betrayal and loss of faith in the first place. I just see the separation, Sam acknowledging he has a problem and Dean agreeing he's having a tough time of it all, as the first steps of them getting back to being brothers.

I think that they'll be slammed back together soon enough, probably before they're ready, just because fate drives them to the same place.

I personally am hoping (because I'm mean) that the demons try to use Dean as bait to lure Sam in and he manages to resist the blood and save Dean his own way with help from people like Ellen and Jo and Rufus... and then Dean of course can go and save the world... with his brother at his side. \o/

But Kripke will do something more awesome, I'm sure. :)

I do wonder what Ellen would do if she knew Sam's secret. I mean she knows about the way Mary died and that Sam was chosen by demons and had visions...but if she knew about the demon blood and the opening the door for Lucifer, would she still manage to keep loving him like Bobby has? I do hope so. I hope it gets covered. I sorta see Ellen and Bobby as their surrogate parents. Jo as their sister and if they could all fight together again, I'd be in SPN heaven. \o/

Speculation, speculation... oh such fun. It means I really haven't a clue what the writers are up to and I love that. :)

Love your icons btw. I have the tab open, but haven't commented yet.

From: [identity profile] dragonfly-sg1.livejournal.com


I agree. It doesn't hurt nearly as much as when they were lying and keeping secrets from each other. I do think they're finally moving in the right direction. ...even though that direction is currently *wibble* apart.

Yes, yes, I'm hoping something huge will happen that'll bring one running back to the other...or both running to each other.

Hmmm... I don't know what Ellen would do. I don't think she'd be as forgiving as Bobby AT FIRST, but that she'd come around. Especially once she got all the facts.

Thanks!

From: [identity profile] meg-tdj.livejournal.com


I felt the same way about the amulet. It's the last link Dean has to the old Sam, and being without it now... gah, that's gotta hurt. :(

I just wonder where Bobby got it in the first place. Did God give it to him? Bobby gave it to Sam for John, which would make sense with John originally picked to be the "righteous man," then Sam gave it to Dean instead, and now Dean has given it to Castiel. They're all linked by this amulet, I love it. Poor Dean, though. No amulet and no Sam. He probably would have died outright if Sam had taken the Impala.

I doubt somehow that Sam will go to Bobby. He knows that Dean will hang around Bobby's side for a while, and it was being with Bobby that got them that case in the first place. So, no, I think Sam will strike out on his own. Which will be dangerous in and of itself. :-/

SOME BODY WRITE ME FIC of Ellen and Jo hunting together.

I SO TOTALLY WANT TO. I almost definitely will at some point, though probably not very soon. I'd need it to be epic, so I'll have to think about it for a while. :)

From: [identity profile] starrylizard.livejournal.com


I doubt somehow that Sam will go to Bobby. He knows that Dean will hang around Bobby's side for a while, and it was being with Bobby that got them that case in the first place. So, no, I think Sam will strike out on his own. Which will be dangerous in and of itself. :-/

Yeah, plus I think Sam doesn't feel like he deserves Bobby's respect atm. I think he'll go off on his own and try to clean up. It's not the smartest move, but it is a very Sam move and the kind of thing he'd do. At least they both have each other's numbers. I'm sure Bobby will be checking up on Sam and reporting to Dean.

I SO TOTALLY WANT TO. I almost definitely will at some point, though probably not very soon. I'd need it to be epic, so I'll have to think about it for a while. :)
Yay! Course I still haven't read your other fic, but yay! I want to write some little mother-daughter snippets. Just need to have some prompts. :)

From: [identity profile] meg-tdj.livejournal.com


Sadly, I've never seen many Ellen icons. The one I've got is by [livejournal.com profile] all_at_once, so you might check their LJ. I snagged it a few weeks ago. There haven't been many icon posts for the latest ep yet, but there are a few of Ellen in this post. :)

From: [identity profile] lsketch42.livejournal.com


"It felt right for them to be separating for a few episodes."

*nods* I felt at the end of this ep the way I did after they closed Sam in the panic room at the end of The Rapture...like it needed to happen. The boys have been thrown for a loop so many times between last season and this season I feel like they need some time to regroup...and being apart will make them realize how much stronger they are together *cues sappy music*

Ellen= WIN and Jo...even though I initially disliked her, once they abandoned that Dean/Jo flirting thing from ELAC, she grew on me. Glad to see them back and hope they stick around for awhile.

By the way...love the header! Is that new?

From: [identity profile] starrylizard.livejournal.com


*nods and agrees...especially since you're agreeing with me* :D

Thanks! Yep, new banner. I posted the photoshoot info here (http://starrylizard.livejournal.com/494471.html) if you missed them. :)

From: [identity profile] anniehow.livejournal.com


Don't worry, you're not the only one thinking these thinky thoughts ;-P

From: [identity profile] starrylizard.livejournal.com


Certainly looks that way from the very few reviews I've now read on the flist. :D

From: [identity profile] my-sn-therapy.livejournal.com


Just wanted to say I like your thought processes on the ep, particularly re: the boys:)
I'm usually so lame about putting mine down in a coherent fashion, so I look to others who can voice what I'm thinking.


From: [identity profile] starrylizard.livejournal.com


I'm amused that seems coherent, but yay! Yeah, I'm normally pretty incoherent too, but I really enjoyed this ep and I'm assuming that if I go dig too far, there will be much negativity around the ending especially... Sooo, I just wanted my squee recorded somewhere to return to it. :D

Glad you agree anyway. If my flisty responses are to go by, maybe I was worrying too much about the fandom angst. Maybe... Should I venture into fandom reviews, or just leave it? :P

From: [identity profile] my-sn-therapy.livejournal.com


oh, I reckon the angst is out there...I'd tread cautiously:p

From: [identity profile] irismay42.livejournal.com


I actually thought Dean offering Sam the Impala was the most important thing he did all episode. Completely speaks to who Dean is - offering Sam Dean, Dad, home and protection all in one fell swoop.

The boys definitely need to split up, if only to rediscover how much they need each other. Most brothers don't spend their whole lives together, so I think it will do them good. Only. Y'know. Don't make it last too long!

From: [identity profile] starrylizard.livejournal.com


I actually thought Dean offering Sam the Impala was the most important thing he did all episode. Completely speaks to who Dean is - offering Sam Dean, Dad, home and protection all in one fell swoop.

Oh I agree. I just mean I can never imagine Sam accepting the offer, because it means so much. It was a gesture in that sense...but still a selfless one and very Dean. *nods*
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