starrylizard | SPN 5x19

So what did people think? I have to say I was rather relieved about something...

So a while ago I was having a nice lunch with

charis_kalos and I was lamenting the fact that SPN had now gone all out Christian. Where their bad guys had previously hailed from many religions, suddenly they were talking Heaven and Hell, angels and demons, GOD and LUCIFER. But where were the many non-Christian Gods? They sort of had Loki (demi-God), so...

But suddenly they seemed to have restricted themselves. As someone who has decided religion isn't for me, but who is fascinated by them nonetheless, this was a big step backwards for the show in my eyes... and then they had episode 5x19! *flail*

I wonder that they appeared to make Lucifer stronger than all the other Gods.... hmmm. Killing them? Not sure about that. But that the writers had thought about it and rectified the situation made me very happy.

Also, finally the way in which the rings are important and how the guys will put Lucifer back in his box. Yay! Plot development finally. The last three episodes hail the end of the annoying filler eps for the season I hope.

Yet another minor character killed off. Definitely a trend there. I can't quite figure out why they never get around to killing Bobby. He certainly is bucking that particular trend... But anyway.

FINALLY!

Lizzie out!

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I can't quite figure out why they never get around to killing Bobby

They probably value their lives too highly:P

That's actually my theory. They don't want a bad fan reaction. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind his character and it's good to have a connection with things outside of SamnDean, but they have killed everyone else. And he's not that great a character. *shrug*

I agree with you. I was *very* enthused about Bobby early on - thought he was a terrific character. But he's lost a lot of his "squee value" for me this season. It's not entirely his continuing series of whiny princess speeches, although that's certainly a part of it. When Jim Beaver made his annual "OMG! Bobby might die in the finale!" speeches in 2008 and 2009, I did a lot of flappy hands. This year, not so much.

Yeah, and I find it interesting that earlier he was about as close to a father figure as the guys had. Now I feel we're constantly told he's a father figure and even Bobby is telling the guys he's like a father to them and because of that he no longer appeals to me in that role any more. Might just be me.

I also happened to love Ellen to itty bitty pieces (among other characters, but Ellen in particular) and they've killed her. They've killed pretty much everyone that has even tried to help the guys out or been forced to help them under duress or loyalty...yet Bobby soldiers on. It's interesting from a writer's point of view. I keep hoping there's a reason. A plan in a future story arc, but I believe they just like this particular character more than their other creations. Or they're more afraid of bad fan reaction with him.

Dunno. It's late, I'm rambling.

Yes, I agree. I do like how they managed to touch base with their pagan-gods roots of the show in this episode.

As for killing Bobby ... honestly, I feel that's it's very likely that he will get killed off, but it might happen closer to the season/series finale because he's practically more than a minor character and I'm sure they would want to make it more dramatic than Gabriel's death, for instance.

Although, *sniff* poor Gabriel! I always liked the guy - and losing him now when he was just a fun source to play with since S2 is tragic!

Yeah, sometimes I think with all the killing off they actually just lose possible future plot sources, but they're the writers, so whatevs.

I think the whole point of putting Bobby in the wheelchair is so they wouldn't have to kill him - as they systematically whittle down all of the boys' allies until there's just the two of them left to fight Lucifer.

I wasn't sure about them killing off all the none Judeo-Christian gods either, but like you I thought it was good that they had at least been considered.

As for Gabriel... Well God brought Cas back to life so who knows what the future holds?

True, they could all come back I guess.

Yeah, they've made statements about Bobby not getting out of the wheelchair because they want to be realistic (like with Sam and Dean lol). Who knows again...? Least the plot is now moving. :)

Heh, back when Show was going to end with season five, I was pretty convinced that they were going to kill off Sam and Dean in a blaze of glory, and that Bobby was going to be the last one standing, the only one left who would know the whole truth. Then Chuck kinda took on that possible role (the chronicler) and now we're getting a sixth season... so now imagine Bobby dying to play the usual "student grows out of needing teacher" trope, leaving his house and all the books in it to Sam and Dean, and next season the two of them have a home base from which they launch their adventures. Ta daa!

You know, as long as they don't kill off Castiel I'm game. Sorry Bobby, but the mentor role gets axed sooner or later, and we've loved you well and always will.

Yes, but then the mentor reappears in a Gandalf, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Dumbledore like manner when the student needs more guidance. Ghost!Bobby?

Haha! I thought people would pounce on me for suggesting Bobby might die... I love it when my gut feeling is shared by flisties. \o/

I guessing this season will be getting the last of the four rings and next season will be sticking Lucifer back in his box.

I refuse to believe that Gabriel is dead. Or at least, he's only mostly dead, not all dead. He might be resurrected by an-occasionally-interventionist God like Castiel was, or he might be raised by blood magic, since he's still bound to Kali by blood. But he's not gone forever - because I like him!

I loved seeing the pantheon, but hated that Lucifer could kill them. He's only a fallen archangel, not a god himself. It could be one of those Pratchett Small Gods/Gaiman American Gods things where the strength of a god is based on the number of their worshippers, and lots of people do seem to believe in 'Lucifer as the Devil' (even though it's crappy Christian theology). But him killing Odin and Ganesh and almost killing Kali - very Western Imperialism.

He's only pining for the fjords? (sorry, sorry, couldn't resist)

Hey, here's an idea: Archangels can whiz around time, yeah? 'cause I was watching Dr Who just now, and...

Time travel, yes, that could be another way. Because GABREIL IS NOT DEAD and De Nile is a river in Egypt.

*snickers* I love having you up to date! :)

Well God brought back Castiel, so why not Gabe too? His/Her non-interference policy is pretty interfering so far.

even though it's crappy Christian theology
*smishes you* :)

But him killing Odin and Ganesh and almost killing Kali - very Western Imperialism.
Exactly!

even though it's crappy Christian theology
*smishes you* :)

Cannot ... switch ... theological brain ... off.

But that's why I love ya! :)

I used to be the number one "if you touch Bobby I will GUT YOU" person but now...meh.

They may not have killed him, but they've definitely diluted the character.

"I find it interesting that earlier he was about as close to a father figure as the guys had. Now I feel we're constantly told he's a father figure and even Bobby is telling the guys he's like a father to them and because of that he no longer appeals to me in that role any more."

Pretty much this.

All my fangirl love now lies with the Impala. *builds a protective shield around it*

Yup, Impala!Love forever. :)

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